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Job: Satan in the meeting with God in heaven

I was asked the question about a month ago as to how satan was in the meeting in heaven in Job 1, when he has been cast out of heaven. Here is what the Holy Spirit revealed to me. All the () are my additions to what I was given about this, scripture is labeled.

Job 1:6 When the day came (doesn’t say it was that time, but a future time) for the heavenly beings to appear before the Lord, Satan was there among them. 7The Lord asked him, “What have you been (past tense) doing?” Satan answered, “I have been walking here and there, roaming round the earth.”

(This is a metaphor/mystery/parable of what the devil has been doing over time and not literal. Job could have possibly been a real person and the devil could have tested him literally (God gives us these stories in the mystery to help us see (spiritually and understand) what is and has been going on, so from what I can tell this seems like a witness to us of what would be going on until God cast the devil out of heaven in the end literally to earth.)

Satan met with God in the meeting because he has not yet been fully cast out of heaven. There are levels of heaven and he is in the third until the last age (which is the air of this world upper atmosphere possibly what we can see of space (which is referred to as the heavens) as the Bible also refers to angels as stars) until he is cast down to earth to reign as the (there are many antichrist) final anitchrist. The Bible is not written in a literal way, it is a mystery that the carnal mind cannot understand and only the Holy Spirit can reveal the answers to us. It’s written in symbology and parables. (i.e. clouds are “Crowds” or groups of people.; wheat and tares, the wheat are children of God tares children of the devil) It’s also not written in a strict order, things that are spoken of in the beginning (Genesis) did not necessarily happen at that moment. (i.e. Job is said to be the oldest book)

Revelation 12:7-12
Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, who fought back with his angels; 8but the dragon was defeated, and he and his angels were not allowed to stay in heaven any longer (so he is still in third heaven until the end times when God casts him literally to earth).

Dan 10.13-21(This speaks on the war in heaven.)
Dan 12.1 (Mt 24.21Mk 13.19Rev 7.14)
The angel wearing linen clothes said, “At that time the great angel Michael, who guards your people, will appear. Then there will be a time of troubles, the worst since nations first came into existence. When that time comes, all the people of your nation whose names are written in God’s book will be saved.
(Is 26.19Mt 25.46Jn 5.29)
Many of those who have already died will live again: some will enjoy eternal (for an age/or time Greek αἰώνιον/aionos) life, and some will suffer eternal (for an age/or time Greek: aionos) disgrace. 3The wise leaders will shine with all the brightness of the sky. And those who have taught many people to do what is right will shine like the stars forever (from the terms used in the Greek this literally means forever).”
Jude 9 (Michael and the devil warring or arguing over who would have the body of Moses.)

Gen 3.1 (this was the beginning of the war as satan came down and seduced Eve, he was not cast down yet) The huge dragon was thrown out — that ancient serpent, called the Devil, or Satan, that deceived the whole world. He was thrown down to earth, and all his angels with him.
Zech 3.1 In another vision the Lord showed me the High Priest Joshua standing before the angel of the Lord. And there beside Joshua stood Satan, ready to bring an accusation against him. (See he does this throughout the Bible and History (HIStory God’s story) Job gave us a summary of what the devil would be doing as the ages passed until the last age, our age.
2The angel of the Lord said to Satan, “May the Lord condemn you, Satan! May the Lord, who loves Jerusalem, condemn you. This man is like a stick snatched from the fire.”
3Joshua was standing there, wearing filthy clothes. 4The angel said to his heavenly attendants, “Take away the filthy clothes this man is wearing.” Then he said to Joshua, “I have taken away your sin (sin singular, what we are all born with) and will give you new clothes to wear.”He commanded the attendants to put a clean turban on Joshua’s head.
(Here is symology used this is a representation of what Jesus would do for the world. This “angel” was more than likely Jesus, as He alone is the only one who can take away our sin.)

Revelation 12:9
Then I heard a loud voice in heaven saying, “Now God’s salvation has come! Now God has shown his power as King! Now his Messiah has shown his authority! For the one (satan) who stood before our God and accused our brothers and sisters day and night has been thrown out of heaven. 11Our brothers and sisters won the victory over him by the blood of the Lamb and by the truth which they proclaimed; and they were willing to give up their lives and die. 12And so be glad, you heavens, and all you that live there! But how terrible for the earth and the sea (false religious leaders/children of satan)! For the Devil has come down to you, and he is filled with rage, because he knows that he has only a little time left.”
(This is the last hour, the times which we are in now, so God cast him down to embody the one that will be the antichrist. There are many antichrist spirits that have been on the earth over the years, but the last will be the first just as God says of us.)

Sea – is usually a reference to peoples.
Wind – false doctrines, religions, religious orders of any kind. (i.e. I am not religious, I have a relationship with my Father who is in Heaven, through my Savior/Jesus who gives me life, and Holy Spirit/Teacher who give me truth/wisdom/God’s knowledge.)

In Mark all the verses in this chapter are parables, so even though this one is not titled as such in most translation, it is that same as the others, a parable. This is the mystery Jesus did not speak literally much; He mostly spoke in parables so that only those who are of God can be given the meanings through the Holy Spirit.

Mark 4:39 Jesus stood up and commanded the wind, “Be quiet!” and he said to the waves (sea), “Be still!” The wind died down, and there was a great calm.
(Again this may have actually happened, but it is also a message to us that Jesus will rebuke false teachings, give peace to his people. He reiterates over and over throughout His Word that He will be victorious and we need to follow Him, because all else are false lies of the devil. He is the only One who will bring peace, He is the only Savior, and the only One who will stand in our place and take our sin.)

Is Hell really “Hell”? Is it really going to be Eternal?

As with all other aspects of the Bible and all these different English translations, if you do not take them back to the first books like the Greek Septuagint or the early church fathers which where the disciples of the disciples of Christ, you will be missing the meat of God’s word. God says that EVEN THE ELECT WILL BE LEAD ASTRAY.   We need to realize this statement as it is, and be aware of the things that have happened over time. Gnostic beliefs have crept into modern day Christianity, right along with these false translations of the original Word of God which is without error. The Dead Sea scrolls match up with the Septuagint, and show that this book is better for us to learn from. The Hebrew Masoretic text which is what our modern day Bible is based off of, does not match up with the Dead Sea scrolls.

There are so many connections in History that provide us with direction, yet most Christians refuse to even look at them and see the Truth God has left us bread crumbs to. Be not stubborn but willing to test the works and allow God to give you discernment to see what has been hidden from us and therefore laid the majority of Christians into an ignorant bed where much of them have conjured up hate upon so many and either pushed them away from Christ, or persecuted Christ Himself because they have persecuted those who are His.

I have been researching and studying for a while now trying to determine the validity of the statement I heard growing up from people, “you will burn in hell for eternity” which from my understanding, many have been taught. The English meaning of the word eternal, I cannot validate because it is used elsewhere in the Bible differently. The Greek word aionos and Hebrew work olam which has been translated in describing eternal hell means for a time. The Bible tells us that Jonah was in the belly of the whale for aionos and this was 3 days.

It says that those who are reconciled to Jesus Christ will be saved as though they had no sin. We are not righteous and sinless on our own, it takes Christ in us to be seen by God as sinless (2 Cor. 5:18-19). As for those who are not in Christ, they will be refined as by fire (1 Peter 1:7; Isaiah 48:10; Zechariah 13:9; Revelation 3:18). He says AS BY FIRE, I’m not certain what this means, it could literally be a fire, or just the supreme power and holiness of the presence of God purging them in some way to make them see the Truth, that God is and cause them to look to Jesus that they would also be saved. It’s also possible that when God judges them and does not see Christ, they also see themselves the way God sees them and are shamed because of it, and live in this state for a time. 1 Cor 3:15 he says that if the works shall be consumed he shall suffer loss but still be saved, again through the fire. It says here BUT STILL BE SAVED.

God loves us whether we want Him to or not, and we will be enveloped in it always once this world is passed. It is our choice no matter what, and at some point, maybe all people (humans with the DNA God created us with), and all meaning ALL will be in the love of God as He intended it to be, to begin with.

Here like I have been trying get across, all these translations are not good, they have been indoctrinated and different theology has caused them to have a different meaning than what was first meant. I do believe the first text was the inerrant Word of God, but since it has been twisted and molded to fit the opinions of those that translated the text instead of it being a direct translation/copy into another language, not to mention the Pharisees themselves removed books that God intended to be in the “Bible.”

Referenced Verses:

2 Cor. 5:18-19
18Now all these things are from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation, 19namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

1 Cor 3:11-15
11For other foundation can no man lay besides that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12Now if any one build upon this foundation, gold, silver, precious stones, wood, grass, straw, 13the work of each shall be made manifest; for the day shall declare it, because it is revealed in fire; and the fire shall try the work of each what it is. 14If the work of any one which he has built upon the foundation shall abide, he shall receive a reward. 15If the work of any one shall be consumed, he shall suffer loss, but he shall be saved, but so as through the fire.

1 Peter 1:7 so that the proof of your faith, being more precious than gold which is perishable, even though tested by fire, may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ;

Isaiah 48:10 “Behold, I have refined you, but not as silver; I have tested you in the furnace of affliction.

Zechariah 13:9″And I will bring the third part through the fire, Refine them as silver is refined, And test them as gold is tested. They will call on My name, And I will answer them; I will say, ‘They are My people,’ And they will say, ‘The Lord is my God.'”

Revelation 3:18 I advise you to buy from Me gold refined by fire so that you may become rich, and white garments so that you may clothe yourself, and that the shame of your nakedness will not be revealed; and eye salve to anoint your eyes so that you may see.

Jonah 1:17And the Lord appointed a great fish to swallow Jonah, and Jonah was in the stomach of the fish three days and three nights.

[Three days and nights here is aion or aionos in the Greek or Olam in the Hebrew.]

You can read this for a little more indepth information on this aspect: http://planofgod.wordpress.com/2012/10/26/how-long-was-jonah-in-the-belly-of-the-beast-how-long-is-forever/

aión: a space of time, an age
Original Word: αἰών, ῶνος, ὁ Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine Transliteration: aión Phonetic Spelling: (ahee-ohn’) Short Definition: an age, a cycle of time Definition: an age, a cycle (of time), especially of the present age as contrasted with the future age, and of one of a series of ages stretching to infinity.

You can see how people could mold their view point’s depending on what translation they read.

Well, consider these translations of Acts 2:27:

NIV: because you will not abandon me to the grave, nor will you let your Holy One see decay NLV: For you will not leave my soul among the dead or allow your Holy One to rot in the grave. NASB: BECAUSE YOU WILL NOT ABANDON MY SOUL TO HADES, NOR ALLOW YOUR HOLY ONE TO UNDERGO DECAY. KJV: Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

Here, we see the translations of the term “Hades” into English from various translators. When reading these passages above, do you not see a significant difference between their meanings as a result?

The term Hades seems to be equivelant to the term “Sheol” from the Old Testament:

KJV: For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell (SHEOL); neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. – Psalms 16:10 KJV: For great is thy mercy toward me: and thou hast delivered my soul from the lowest hell (SHEOL). – Psalms 86:13 KJV: Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell (HADES), neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. – Acts 2:27

So, the KJV was crafted around the common Protestant and Catholic doctrine of Heaven and Hell, as the KJV (along with some other Bibles) LITERALLY translate the exact same word “HADES” to mean Hell, 10 times out of 11. Yet, the term means the “realm of the dead”, not “Hell” and appears to be the equivelant to “SHEOL” found within the Old Testament.

There is only one verse out of about 33,000 in the Bible that may say “eternal torment”, namely:

“And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. ” – King James Bible – Revelation 20:10

You can use this page as a reference to more indepth information on this. http://www.godrules.net/articles/eternaldeath.htm

http://www.godrules.net/articles/bibleterminology.htm#heavenhell

You can check out these videos:
Part 1 of 3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4q1pb2-Y2Q

Eastern beliefs and Western beliefs differ greatly here. If you notice, there are great things happening in the East and we seem to be asleep in the West.   Here is another good tool to use to draw your own conclusions about this.

http://aggreen.net/beliefs/heaven_hell.html