Job: Satan in the meeting with God in heaven

I was asked the question about a month ago as to how satan was in the meeting in heaven in Job 1, when he has been cast out of heaven. Here is what the Holy Spirit revealed to me. All the () are my additions to what I was given about this, scripture is labeled.

Job 1:6 When the day came (doesn’t say it was that time, but a future time) for the heavenly beings to appear before the Lord, Satan was there among them. 7The Lord asked him, “What have you been (past tense) doing?” Satan answered, “I have been walking here and there, roaming round the earth.”

(This is a metaphor/mystery/parable of what the devil has been doing over time and not literal. Job could have possibly been a real person and the devil could have tested him literally (God gives us these stories in the mystery to help us see (spiritually and understand) what is and has been going on, so from what I can tell this seems like a witness to us of what would be going on until God cast the devil out of heaven in the end literally to earth.)

Satan met with God in the meeting because he has not yet been fully cast out of heaven. There are levels of heaven and he is in the third until the last age (which is the air of this world upper atmosphere possibly what we can see of space (which is referred to as the heavens) as the Bible also refers to angels as stars) until he is cast down to earth to reign as the (there are many antichrist) final anitchrist. The Bible is not written in a literal way, it is a mystery that the carnal mind cannot understand and only the Holy Spirit can reveal the answers to us. It’s written in symbology and parables. (i.e. clouds are “Crowds” or groups of people.; wheat and tares, the wheat are children of God tares children of the devil) It’s also not written in a strict order, things that are spoken of in the beginning (Genesis) did not necessarily happen at that moment. (i.e. Job is said to be the oldest book)

Revelation 12:7-12
Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, who fought back with his angels; 8but the dragon was defeated, and he and his angels were not allowed to stay in heaven any longer (so he is still in third heaven until the end times when God casts him literally to earth).

Dan 10.13-21(This speaks on the war in heaven.)
Dan 12.1 (Mt 24.21Mk 13.19Rev 7.14)
The angel wearing linen clothes said, “At that time the great angel Michael, who guards your people, will appear. Then there will be a time of troubles, the worst since nations first came into existence. When that time comes, all the people of your nation whose names are written in God’s book will be saved.
(Is 26.19Mt 25.46Jn 5.29)
Many of those who have already died will live again: some will enjoy eternal (for an age/or time Greek αἰώνιον/aionos) life, and some will suffer eternal (for an age/or time Greek: aionos) disgrace. 3The wise leaders will shine with all the brightness of the sky. And those who have taught many people to do what is right will shine like the stars forever (from the terms used in the Greek this literally means forever).”
Jude 9 (Michael and the devil warring or arguing over who would have the body of Moses.)

Gen 3.1 (this was the beginning of the war as satan came down and seduced Eve, he was not cast down yet) The huge dragon was thrown out — that ancient serpent, called the Devil, or Satan, that deceived the whole world. He was thrown down to earth, and all his angels with him.
Zech 3.1 In another vision the Lord showed me the High Priest Joshua standing before the angel of the Lord. And there beside Joshua stood Satan, ready to bring an accusation against him. (See he does this throughout the Bible and History (HIStory God’s story) Job gave us a summary of what the devil would be doing as the ages passed until the last age, our age.
2The angel of the Lord said to Satan, “May the Lord condemn you, Satan! May the Lord, who loves Jerusalem, condemn you. This man is like a stick snatched from the fire.”
3Joshua was standing there, wearing filthy clothes. 4The angel said to his heavenly attendants, “Take away the filthy clothes this man is wearing.” Then he said to Joshua, “I have taken away your sin (sin singular, what we are all born with) and will give you new clothes to wear.”He commanded the attendants to put a clean turban on Joshua’s head.
(Here is symology used this is a representation of what Jesus would do for the world. This “angel” was more than likely Jesus, as He alone is the only one who can take away our sin.)

Revelation 12:9
Then I heard a loud voice in heaven saying, “Now God’s salvation has come! Now God has shown his power as King! Now his Messiah has shown his authority! For the one (satan) who stood before our God and accused our brothers and sisters day and night has been thrown out of heaven. 11Our brothers and sisters won the victory over him by the blood of the Lamb and by the truth which they proclaimed; and they were willing to give up their lives and die. 12And so be glad, you heavens, and all you that live there! But how terrible for the earth and the sea (false religious leaders/children of satan)! For the Devil has come down to you, and he is filled with rage, because he knows that he has only a little time left.”
(This is the last hour, the times which we are in now, so God cast him down to embody the one that will be the antichrist. There are many antichrist spirits that have been on the earth over the years, but the last will be the first just as God says of us.)

Sea – is usually a reference to peoples.
Wind – false doctrines, religions, religious orders of any kind. (i.e. I am not religious, I have a relationship with my Father who is in Heaven, through my Savior/Jesus who gives me life, and Holy Spirit/Teacher who give me truth/wisdom/God’s knowledge.)

In Mark all the verses in this chapter are parables, so even though this one is not titled as such in most translation, it is that same as the others, a parable. This is the mystery Jesus did not speak literally much; He mostly spoke in parables so that only those who are of God can be given the meanings through the Holy Spirit.

Mark 4:39 Jesus stood up and commanded the wind, “Be quiet!” and he said to the waves (sea), “Be still!” The wind died down, and there was a great calm.
(Again this may have actually happened, but it is also a message to us that Jesus will rebuke false teachings, give peace to his people. He reiterates over and over throughout His Word that He will be victorious and we need to follow Him, because all else are false lies of the devil. He is the only One who will bring peace, He is the only Savior, and the only One who will stand in our place and take our sin.)



Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol. I – Clement of Rome – Chapter XII.

On account of her faith and hospitality, Rahab the harlot was saved. For when spies were sent by Joshua, the son of Nun, to Jericho, the king of the country ascertained that they were come to spy out their land, and sent men to seize them, in order that, when taken, they might be put to death. But the hospitable Rahab receiving them, concealed them on the roof of her house under some stalks of flax. And when the men sent by the king arrived and said “There came men unto thee who are to spy out our land; bring them forth, for so the king commands,” she answered them, “The two men whom ye seek came unto me, but quickly departed again and are gone,” thus not discovering the spies to them. Then she said to the men, “I know assuredly that the Lord your God hath given you this city, for the fear and dread of you have fallen on its inhabitants. When therefore ye shall have taken it, keep ye me and the house of my father in safety.” And they said to her, “It shall be as thou hast spoken to us. As soon, therefore, as thou knowest that we are at hand, thou shall gather all thy family under thy roof, and they shall be preserved, but all that are found outside of thy dwelling shall perish.” Moreover, they gave her a sign to this effect, that she should hang forth from her house a scarlet thread. And thus they made it manifest that redemption should flow through the blood of the Lord to all them that believe and hope in God. Ye see, beloved, that there was not only faith, but prophecy, in this woman.

Humanity sees Rahab as a harlot, but God saw her as a faithful child and part of His people. Seems the labels we put on others are but mere words, but the title we are given by God are beyond what some would consider mistakes or condemnation and is only from earthly carnal minded people. As we are not to judge others, lest we be judge in the same manner (Matthew 7:1-3), yet we label Rahab as a harlot.

Faith and hospitality are big things to God. As it is said, Faith can move mountains. Hospitality, though it usually doesn’t take much to be hospitable to another, as there are so many ways to do so, means a lot to God. He wants us to help each other along through this life and showing kindness is not hard, but so many people are so selfish they refuse to show others any kindness and feel they are better suited to give them a moral word or acknowledge their faults when they, themselves should be showing love and focused on being more like Christ. If you are more interested in finding fault in other and causing division amongst people, especially the body of Christ, you need to check your faith, and find your knees. True children, the true body of Christ do not cause division in the body.

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you, be kind to others, we are all walking through this life, we are all struggling at times, and we are all growing. A reflection of your heart and who you truly are inside comes out by how you are towards others. Remember to be hospitable and grow in your Faith and Relationship with Jesus each day.

God’s Mercy for All…Is Hell Really Hell?

The more I read of the early church fathers, the Bible, Jasher, and Enoch, the more I find God’s love abounding in so many ways. The more I can’t help but know that the Bible has been translated in so many places with the wrong terms, very likely intentionally, as we are warned the tares are among the wheat and because of this, the devil has had his hand in the Bible over time. Be it from the removal of books, or the translation into different languages with a change in words. There is far too much proof and people refuse to look into it, they just want to believe what they are told.

I might step on some toes with what I’m about to say, but I am not here to sugarcoat anything or make people like me, I am here to seek my Father and Creator, and to do what is right according to Him. According to Him the more I speak truth the more people will come against me. I should rejoice when I am persecuted by others, even those who would call themselves Christians. To those people who refuse to seek after the truth and just listen to what others tell them how can you cast words at me stating I’m wrong, when you don’t even go look for yourself.

“Let us look stedfastly to the blood of Christ, and see how precious that blood is to God, which, having been shed for our salvation, has set the grace of repentance before the whole world.” ~Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol I – Clement of Rome Chapter VII

James 2:13 For judgment without mercy to him that hath not done mercy. And mercy exalteth itself above judgment.

So much of what I have read and what God has given me the ability to understand, because it is Him completely through the Holy Spirit that give us the ability to understand or even love or seek Him. We do not have the capacity to do these things on our own.

It all says that Jesus came for the whole world, that is, THE WHOLE world as in all human beings that God has created. The only time I can see where God sends any truly into the pits with the devil is in the end when they accept the mark of the beast. My belief in this is, because what the fallen angels do to them through the mark of the beast and their return to try and rule this world, is that they change the DNA of the ones who would follow the Antichrist.

Even David, who was called a man after God’s own heart committed so many wrongs. He was an adulterer and a murder; you can see that in the story of Bathsheba. God’s MERCY.  So no one can tell me that they can sit and condemn another and call themselves a child of God, because those in the Body of Christ, true children of God do not cause division in the body, PERIOD!

All others are put through what God refers to as a refiners fire, He puts them in a place that purges them and makes them better and more suited for the Kingdom and from there He will bring all and I mean all of His chosen creation (human beings) to Himself. I’m not saying this place has no pain involved; it very well may, as God would show them how it would be without Him that they would call out to Him and return to their Father. The Bible even states that Jesus descended and preached to the souls in the pit. I am still studying through this, but I don’t believe there is a literal hell as translated in the English language. There are three parts to what the English Bible calls hell, three different places not one. The lake of fire, the pit, and paradise, the Bible also mentions the abyss, but I am thinking that is the same as the lake of fire, again I am still looking further into this.

This would be the reason why people preaching hell draws more people away from God. If you are going to speak of my Father you speak of His love for the world, because that is exactly what He is all about. His precious Grace, Love, and Mercy that He has show all of humanity. The only ones that have not been shown this are the peoples that were nephilim (fallen angel human hybrids) because they are not of God and it is told in the Bible those cities and those people God showed no mercy upon them. The Amorites and Sodom and Gomorrah are two examples of this where God showed no mercy.  Other than this God’s Mercy, Grace, and Love are for all humans.  The Bible even states that hell was not made for people, but for the devil and his angels.


Abusers of themselves with mankind

In the KJV it says “abusers of themselves with mankind”. So many people try to throw this out as meaning homosexuality, please research your sources before you go proclaiming translations as something they are not. This is one of the only translations that actually gets it remotely correct on 1 Corinthians 6:9-10. The ancient Greek term is hard to find in Greek literature, but when it has been used it is used as a class struggle, where a person in a HIGHER POSITION abuses someone in a LOWER position. Also, the term has another more known meaning in shrine prostitution. Where a male would castrate themselves and be on the receiving end of sex unto a false god, such as Molech (which I have mentioned before).

Philo, The Special Laws, III, VII, 40-41: “(40) And I imagine that the cause of this is that among many nations there are actually rewards given for intemperance and effeminacy. At all events one may see men-women (androgynes) continually strutting through the market place at midday, and leading the processions in festivals; and, impious men as they are, having received by lot the charge of the temple, and beginning the sacred and initiating rites, and concerned even in the holy mysteries of Ceres(Cybele)”

This indicates they were in charge of the Temple unto Cybele. This was part of the term (which cannot be separated). Reguarding the first definition(abuse of someone lower than you), which is stated above, only a few ancient Greek texts use it in such a way (Sibylline Oracle 2.70-77.10 – one of the more ancient texts that uses the term).…

Section “On Justice” from Sibylline Oracle 2: “(Never accept in your hand a gift which derives from unjust deeds.) Do not steal seeds. Whoever takes for himself is accursed (to generations of generations, to the scattering of life. Do not arsenokoitein, do not betray information, do not murder.) Give one who has labored his wage. Do not oppress a poor man. Take heed of your speech. Keep a secret matter in your heart. (Make provision for orphans and widows and those in need.) Do not be willing to act unjustly, and therefore do not give leave to one who is acting unjustly.”

This would qualify “slave owners” from the 19th Century, due to how they abused slaves. “Abusers of themselves with mankind” WERE slave owners!!!

NOW DAYS, we are expected to believe and many do, that it is referring to homosexuals. (=ignorance/hate/lies/false doctrine) This is dishonest and causing so much hate in our country alone, not to mention the other countries. Just how the devil wants it, people have allowed it to be.

The only definition that is related to “homosexuality” is one that also includes “false god worship” as part of the definition. First, NO homosexuals castrate themselves. Second, they are not worshipping false gods such as Cybele or Molach while having sex! Lord knows I don’t!

The sin was idolatry, mixed with sex acts. This is what has been lost in its meaning. So “slave owners” and those who rape and abuse others are ALSO being discussed when this term is used. I am guessing Paul was referring to both meanings when he spoke of this, but he by no means was talking about homosexuals.

Do Christians push people away from God?

I heard on the radio this weekend, one of the DJs asking, “Do Christians push people away from God?”

My answer to that would be yes, a lot of them do. We are called to show others the love of Jesus, PERIOD. After that, it is the Spirits job to break down their proud soul and begin to help them grow to be like Christ. It isn’t a happen in a day aspect, the Holy Spirit has to purge them of the things that hurt them. We as brothers and sisters in Christ can come to one another in love and help each other along, but those who do not know God do not understand sin. They don’t understand God’s Word, they are carnal minded until that appointed time God reaches into them and the Holy Spirit connects with their spirit.

1 Cor. 1:18 18For the message about Christ’s death on the cross is nonsense to those who are being lost; but for us who are being saved it is God’s power.
1 Cor. 2:14Whoever does not have the Spirit cannot receive the gifts that come from God’s Spirit. Such people really do not understand them; they are nonsense to them, because their value can be judged only on a spiritual basis. 15Whoever has the Spirit, however, is able to judge the value of everything, but no one is able to judge him.

You can judge the value of things, in other Words if something is good or not, (this is called discernment) but you cannot judge people, that is God’s job not yours. There are too many people out there sitting on judgment thrones casting their opinions over people. Stop it! Stop breeding hate! Stop persecuting people! Stop being ignorant!

Matthew 7
1“Do not judge others, so that God will not judge you, for God will judge you in the same way as you judge others, and he will apply to you the same rules you apply to others.3Why, then, do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, and pay no attention to the log in your own eye?4How dare you say to your brother, ‘Please, let me take that speck out of your eye,’ when you have a log in your own eye?5You hypocrite! First take the log out of your own eye, and then you will be able to see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.

How clearly do we really see though, enough to really judge someone? We don’t! We see clearly enough to share God’s Word with people, to talk to them, to help them learn, and to give them whatever Word God may have given you for them. Be careful not to judge, because God will judge you with the same standards on which you judge others.

John 8:7… “Whichever one of you has committed no sin may throw the first stone at her.” (Just my curiosity, but right before that, Jesus wrote something on the ground…I wonder what He wrote. It never tells us what He wrote. )

Some may argue that if you are in Christ, you are sinless or righteous. This is true, before God you will be seen as sinless and righteous, but you are not of yourselves sinless and righteous. Jesus is your righteousness.

I would ask you to speak up and post a comment if you think you are sinless, I haven’t met someone yet who is sinless other than Jesus Christ. If you think this of yourself, please tell me why.

What’s Wrong with Christianity?

What exactly is a Christian now days? There are so many different denominations and theological ideals out there. I wonder what to call myself so that it’s not misleading to others. The closest I guess I could come is that I am a Child of the One and Only Living God who’s Son is Jesus Christ.

1 Timothy 4 that “1The Spirit says clearly that some people will abandon the faith in later times; they will obey lying spirits and follow the teachings of demons. 2Such teachings are spread by deceitful liars, whose consciences are dead, as if burnt with a hot iron. 3Such people teach that it is wrong to marry and to eat certain foods. But God created those foods to be eaten, after a prayer of thanks, by those who are believers and have come to know the truth. 4Everything that God has created is good; nothing is to be rejected, but everything is to be received with a prayer of thanks, 5because the word of God and the prayer make it acceptable to God.”

Where it says in verse one “teachings of demons,” in some versions it says doctrines. There are many teachings that are labeled Christianity that are completely not of God and are used to deceive His people.

If someone says God hates, in all but one thing, they would be a liar. That one thing is religion; God hates religion, because it seeks to deceive His people. In the Bible when Jesus was on the earth, the one time He got severely angry was at the Pharisees, the religious leaders. Religions are a merchant’s game on people. There are so many false teachers of Christianity that seek only the funds of others to live a wealthy life for themselves, to deceive the children of God, and to rob them of the Truth and Love of God. Anyone who would call themselves a Pastor should not be living in over abundance of wealth, Jesus did not and we are to be as Him.

Technically, there should be no organized religions per say. There should be a meeting of God’s people, God’s church (singular), the Body of Christ. No denominations, no division, or religious order of any kind. It simply should be the Body of Christ coming together to pray, to help each other, to talk about the Lord, and to love one another.

I think the closest I have come to this has been either just a meeting with friend or family were we talked about God, or in the church I attended back home in the Sunday school class. I had an awesome teacher in there and he helped me to grow in ways that I’m sure he may be unaware of, but God put him and his wife in my life at such an incredibly hard time. The perfect time.

That class didn’t always stick to the chosen topic for that day, sometimes we would talk about what God had shown someone that week before and at times we would get off on different needs of those in class. It wasn’t really a class; it was just a coming together of God’s church, the Body of Christ. We talked; we prayed for each other, we carried each other’s burdens so no one had to carry them alone. We genuinely cared for one another, that is how the church should be.

No man made laws or rules, no religion, just a relationship with your Creator and King, just the Body of Christ, just focused on God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit.

The Body of Christ and the Holy Spirit

There is one body of Christ, there are not many churches, there is only one that is the body of Christ.  Christ came as God and man to die in our place to cover our sin (singular) the sin we are born with and to give us the Holy Spirit released to connect with our spirit as our souls are broken before the Father, Holy Spirit, and the Son. She (the Holy Spirit) is wisdom, comfort, and guidance, she is the Spirit that is Holy of Yahweh.

Churches is a religious term, church/body of Christ is a Heavenly term.

So many sermons are shown from a pulpit that are not (Holy) Spirit connected. At those moments even milk is not given to the people. God’s people even still need more than milk alone, many sit stagnant in a “church” receiving hollow words or milk. God’s people need meat, God’s people need to know that authority they have been given over the powers of this world.

Until they are given the full truth being that the fall of man coincides with the fall of Satan. That there is more to this than we are taught in a church building. God’s Holly Spirit is on the rise to reveal the truth and the lies the devil has ground into the world. The tares are among the wheat, we must seek the truth which only the Holy Spirit can provided you as you seek after God.

Behold, God calls you today to trust in the Spirit and cast away the lies fed to you by this world. You will not understand the end if you do not understand the beginning, which in turn makes everything in between a field of confusion and false truths.

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