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Does God Hate People/Translation Subtle Deception

One of the reasons we must be diligent in seeking after God is because there are verses translated wrong or opposite of what was written and meant to be. These are just a few to show that God does not hate people, He loves His creation. These verses also showing that the words have been changed over time , wtih the many different translations. He warns us again and again that the devil is a liar and great deceiver, and He will do ANYTHING to lead us astray from our first love, which is God Himself.  He (the devil) is trying to get across that God hates His own creation. How could He, when He created even the one who became the devil and He has not destroyed him even to this day?

The Greek Septuagint states in Psalm 7:11:
God is a righteous judge, and strong, and patient, NOT inflicting vengeance every day.

New translations (go behind me and check this for yourselves always verify):

NIV states:
11 God is a righteous judge, a God who displays his wrath every day.

KJV states:
11 God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day.

Douay-Rheims 1899 states in Psalm 5:5:
6 Neither shall the wicked dwell near thee: nor shall the unjust abide before thy eyes.
(In other words, God cannot be near the wicked.)

KJV
5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

NIV
5 The arrogant cannot stand in your presence. You hate all who do wrong;

The Greek Septuagint states in Psalm 11:5:
The Lord tries the righteous and ungodly: and he that loves unrighteousness hates his own soul.

NIV states:
The Lord examines the righteous, but the wicked, those who love violence, he hates with a passion.

KJV states:
The Lord trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.

The Greek Septuagint states in Leviticus 20:23:
And walk ye not in the customs of the nations which I drive out from before you; for they have done all these things, and I have abhorred them: (He abhors the things not the people)

NIV
You must not live according to the customs of the nations I am going to drive out before you. Because they did all these things, I abhorred them.  (God does not abhor the people, but the things they are doing)

KJV
And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them.

The Greek Septuagint states in Proverbs 6:16:
For he rejoices in all things which God hates, and he is ruined by reason of impurity of soul.

KJV
16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:

NIV
16 There are six things the Lord hates, seven that are detestable to him:

The Greek Septuagint states in Hosea 9:15:
All their wickedness is in Galgal: for there I hated them: because of the wickedness of their practices, I will cast them out of my house, I will not love them any more: all their princes are disobedient.

NIV
“Because of all their wickedness in Gilgal, I hated them there. Because of their sinful deeds, I will drive them out of my house. I will no longer love them; all their leaders are rebellious.

KJV
All their wickedness is in Gilgal: for there I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house, I will love them no more: all their princes are revolters.

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Job: Satan in the meeting with God in heaven

I was asked the question about a month ago as to how satan was in the meeting in heaven in Job 1, when he has been cast out of heaven. Here is what the Holy Spirit revealed to me. All the () are my additions to what I was given about this, scripture is labeled.

Job 1:6 When the day came (doesn’t say it was that time, but a future time) for the heavenly beings to appear before the Lord, Satan was there among them. 7The Lord asked him, “What have you been (past tense) doing?” Satan answered, “I have been walking here and there, roaming round the earth.”

(This is a metaphor/mystery/parable of what the devil has been doing over time and not literal. Job could have possibly been a real person and the devil could have tested him literally (God gives us these stories in the mystery to help us see (spiritually and understand) what is and has been going on, so from what I can tell this seems like a witness to us of what would be going on until God cast the devil out of heaven in the end literally to earth.)

Satan met with God in the meeting because he has not yet been fully cast out of heaven. There are levels of heaven and he is in the third until the last age (which is the air of this world upper atmosphere possibly what we can see of space (which is referred to as the heavens) as the Bible also refers to angels as stars) until he is cast down to earth to reign as the (there are many antichrist) final anitchrist. The Bible is not written in a literal way, it is a mystery that the carnal mind cannot understand and only the Holy Spirit can reveal the answers to us. It’s written in symbology and parables. (i.e. clouds are “Crowds” or groups of people.; wheat and tares, the wheat are children of God tares children of the devil) It’s also not written in a strict order, things that are spoken of in the beginning (Genesis) did not necessarily happen at that moment. (i.e. Job is said to be the oldest book)

Revelation 12:7-12
Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, who fought back with his angels; 8but the dragon was defeated, and he and his angels were not allowed to stay in heaven any longer (so he is still in third heaven until the end times when God casts him literally to earth).

Dan 10.13-21(This speaks on the war in heaven.)
Dan 12.1 (Mt 24.21Mk 13.19Rev 7.14)
The angel wearing linen clothes said, “At that time the great angel Michael, who guards your people, will appear. Then there will be a time of troubles, the worst since nations first came into existence. When that time comes, all the people of your nation whose names are written in God’s book will be saved.
(Is 26.19Mt 25.46Jn 5.29)
Many of those who have already died will live again: some will enjoy eternal (for an age/or time Greek αἰώνιον/aionos) life, and some will suffer eternal (for an age/or time Greek: aionos) disgrace. 3The wise leaders will shine with all the brightness of the sky. And those who have taught many people to do what is right will shine like the stars forever (from the terms used in the Greek this literally means forever).”
Jude 9 (Michael and the devil warring or arguing over who would have the body of Moses.)

Gen 3.1 (this was the beginning of the war as satan came down and seduced Eve, he was not cast down yet) The huge dragon was thrown out — that ancient serpent, called the Devil, or Satan, that deceived the whole world. He was thrown down to earth, and all his angels with him.
Zech 3.1 In another vision the Lord showed me the High Priest Joshua standing before the angel of the Lord. And there beside Joshua stood Satan, ready to bring an accusation against him. (See he does this throughout the Bible and History (HIStory God’s story) Job gave us a summary of what the devil would be doing as the ages passed until the last age, our age.
2The angel of the Lord said to Satan, “May the Lord condemn you, Satan! May the Lord, who loves Jerusalem, condemn you. This man is like a stick snatched from the fire.”
3Joshua was standing there, wearing filthy clothes. 4The angel said to his heavenly attendants, “Take away the filthy clothes this man is wearing.” Then he said to Joshua, “I have taken away your sin (sin singular, what we are all born with) and will give you new clothes to wear.”He commanded the attendants to put a clean turban on Joshua’s head.
(Here is symology used this is a representation of what Jesus would do for the world. This “angel” was more than likely Jesus, as He alone is the only one who can take away our sin.)

Revelation 12:9
Then I heard a loud voice in heaven saying, “Now God’s salvation has come! Now God has shown his power as King! Now his Messiah has shown his authority! For the one (satan) who stood before our God and accused our brothers and sisters day and night has been thrown out of heaven. 11Our brothers and sisters won the victory over him by the blood of the Lamb and by the truth which they proclaimed; and they were willing to give up their lives and die. 12And so be glad, you heavens, and all you that live there! But how terrible for the earth and the sea (false religious leaders/children of satan)! For the Devil has come down to you, and he is filled with rage, because he knows that he has only a little time left.”
(This is the last hour, the times which we are in now, so God cast him down to embody the one that will be the antichrist. There are many antichrist spirits that have been on the earth over the years, but the last will be the first just as God says of us.)

Sea – is usually a reference to peoples.
Wind – false doctrines, religions, religious orders of any kind. (i.e. I am not religious, I have a relationship with my Father who is in Heaven, through my Savior/Jesus who gives me life, and Holy Spirit/Teacher who give me truth/wisdom/God’s knowledge.)

In Mark all the verses in this chapter are parables, so even though this one is not titled as such in most translation, it is that same as the others, a parable. This is the mystery Jesus did not speak literally much; He mostly spoke in parables so that only those who are of God can be given the meanings through the Holy Spirit.

Mark 4:39 Jesus stood up and commanded the wind, “Be quiet!” and he said to the waves (sea), “Be still!” The wind died down, and there was a great calm.
(Again this may have actually happened, but it is also a message to us that Jesus will rebuke false teachings, give peace to his people. He reiterates over and over throughout His Word that He will be victorious and we need to follow Him, because all else are false lies of the devil. He is the only One who will bring peace, He is the only Savior, and the only One who will stand in our place and take our sin.)

It’s A Matter of The Holy Spirit

It is not a matter of doctrines or theological opinions that will lead you to the knowledge of Yeshua; it is The Holy Spirit only that will lead you to Yeshua. You can read the Bible and know it upside down and backwards, go to church three days a week, and still not know Yeshua. A reminder of this is that even the devil knows the Bible backwards and forwards and even the devil has crept into the church (the worldly church not the church that is the body of Yeshua). Many people have many differences of opinions on doctrine and their beliefs, but regardless of differences, those truly in the body of Yeshua will come together for the Kingdom of Yahweh no matter what and they are not divisive against one another. They will never cause division in the body, once they are of the body.

I know that the devil has spread lies and deceit across the world, even into many biblical translations of what was Yahweh’s perfect inerrant Word (this is why we look to the early church fathers and the older books like the Greek Septuagint), and entwined hate into many parts of what is thought to be Christianity. What is the end all be all is the connection of your spirit with Yahweh’s Holy Spirit. There are many who believe in Yahweh, Yeshua, and The Holy Spirit that do not have that connection, sadly their flesh (will and soulical self) are more for them and this world than for Yahweh. It is not easy to be a Christian, as our souls have to be broken down so that our spirits can be lifted up and connect with The Holy Spirit. This is why in the Bible it says we must die to self, carry our cross, if we save our soul we will lose it, and things of that nature. We have to put the order of things back as Yahweh meant for it to be before the sin of man, spirit, soul, and body.

So each Christian is not only facing a battle against the devil and his angels and demons, but also again their fleshly self. Each of us is not strong enough to face any of these battles alone, but only with Yahweh, Yeshua, and The Holy Spirit to help you break and build backup. We are given His Authority over the powers of this world and we do not even know how to use it, and there is a time coming that we will need to know how to use it. I pray for each of my brothers and sister in Yeshua, as well as myself, that Yahweh Aba would teach us this most important lesson before these times come over us. All in all, we know who the Victor is in the end. Amen!

Every Knee Will Bow and Every Tongue Will Confess, That Yeshua is Lord.

Is Hell really “Hell”? Is it really going to be Eternal?

As with all other aspects of the Bible and all these different English translations, if you do not take them back to the first books like the Greek Septuagint or the early church fathers which where the disciples of the disciples of Christ, you will be missing the meat of God’s word. God says that EVEN THE ELECT WILL BE LEAD ASTRAY.   We need to realize this statement as it is, and be aware of the things that have happened over time. Gnostic beliefs have crept into modern day Christianity, right along with these false translations of the original Word of God which is without error. The Dead Sea scrolls match up with the Septuagint, and show that this book is better for us to learn from. The Hebrew Masoretic text which is what our modern day Bible is based off of, does not match up with the Dead Sea scrolls.

There are so many connections in History that provide us with direction, yet most Christians refuse to even look at them and see the Truth God has left us bread crumbs to. Be not stubborn but willing to test the works and allow God to give you discernment to see what has been hidden from us and therefore laid the majority of Christians into an ignorant bed where much of them have conjured up hate upon so many and either pushed them away from Christ, or persecuted Christ Himself because they have persecuted those who are His.

I have been researching and studying for a while now trying to determine the validity of the statement I heard growing up from people, “you will burn in hell for eternity” which from my understanding, many have been taught. The English meaning of the word eternal, I cannot validate because it is used elsewhere in the Bible differently. The Greek word aionos and Hebrew work olam which has been translated in describing eternal hell means for a time. The Bible tells us that Jonah was in the belly of the whale for aionos and this was 3 days.

It says that those who are reconciled to Jesus Christ will be saved as though they had no sin. We are not righteous and sinless on our own, it takes Christ in us to be seen by God as sinless (2 Cor. 5:18-19). As for those who are not in Christ, they will be refined as by fire (1 Peter 1:7; Isaiah 48:10; Zechariah 13:9; Revelation 3:18). He says AS BY FIRE, I’m not certain what this means, it could literally be a fire, or just the supreme power and holiness of the presence of God purging them in some way to make them see the Truth, that God is and cause them to look to Jesus that they would also be saved. It’s also possible that when God judges them and does not see Christ, they also see themselves the way God sees them and are shamed because of it, and live in this state for a time. 1 Cor 3:15 he says that if the works shall be consumed he shall suffer loss but still be saved, again through the fire. It says here BUT STILL BE SAVED.

God loves us whether we want Him to or not, and we will be enveloped in it always once this world is passed. It is our choice no matter what, and at some point, maybe all people (humans with the DNA God created us with), and all meaning ALL will be in the love of God as He intended it to be, to begin with.

Here like I have been trying get across, all these translations are not good, they have been indoctrinated and different theology has caused them to have a different meaning than what was first meant. I do believe the first text was the inerrant Word of God, but since it has been twisted and molded to fit the opinions of those that translated the text instead of it being a direct translation/copy into another language, not to mention the Pharisees themselves removed books that God intended to be in the “Bible.”

Referenced Verses:

2 Cor. 5:18-19
18Now all these things are from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation, 19namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

1 Cor 3:11-15
11For other foundation can no man lay besides that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12Now if any one build upon this foundation, gold, silver, precious stones, wood, grass, straw, 13the work of each shall be made manifest; for the day shall declare it, because it is revealed in fire; and the fire shall try the work of each what it is. 14If the work of any one which he has built upon the foundation shall abide, he shall receive a reward. 15If the work of any one shall be consumed, he shall suffer loss, but he shall be saved, but so as through the fire.

1 Peter 1:7 so that the proof of your faith, being more precious than gold which is perishable, even though tested by fire, may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ;

Isaiah 48:10 “Behold, I have refined you, but not as silver; I have tested you in the furnace of affliction.

Zechariah 13:9″And I will bring the third part through the fire, Refine them as silver is refined, And test them as gold is tested. They will call on My name, And I will answer them; I will say, ‘They are My people,’ And they will say, ‘The Lord is my God.'”

Revelation 3:18 I advise you to buy from Me gold refined by fire so that you may become rich, and white garments so that you may clothe yourself, and that the shame of your nakedness will not be revealed; and eye salve to anoint your eyes so that you may see.

Jonah 1:17And the Lord appointed a great fish to swallow Jonah, and Jonah was in the stomach of the fish three days and three nights.

[Three days and nights here is aion or aionos in the Greek or Olam in the Hebrew.]

You can read this for a little more indepth information on this aspect: http://planofgod.wordpress.com/2012/10/26/how-long-was-jonah-in-the-belly-of-the-beast-how-long-is-forever/

aión: a space of time, an age
Original Word: αἰών, ῶνος, ὁ Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine Transliteration: aión Phonetic Spelling: (ahee-ohn’) Short Definition: an age, a cycle of time Definition: an age, a cycle (of time), especially of the present age as contrasted with the future age, and of one of a series of ages stretching to infinity.

You can see how people could mold their view point’s depending on what translation they read.

Well, consider these translations of Acts 2:27:

NIV: because you will not abandon me to the grave, nor will you let your Holy One see decay NLV: For you will not leave my soul among the dead or allow your Holy One to rot in the grave. NASB: BECAUSE YOU WILL NOT ABANDON MY SOUL TO HADES, NOR ALLOW YOUR HOLY ONE TO UNDERGO DECAY. KJV: Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

Here, we see the translations of the term “Hades” into English from various translators. When reading these passages above, do you not see a significant difference between their meanings as a result?

The term Hades seems to be equivelant to the term “Sheol” from the Old Testament:

KJV: For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell (SHEOL); neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. – Psalms 16:10 KJV: For great is thy mercy toward me: and thou hast delivered my soul from the lowest hell (SHEOL). – Psalms 86:13 KJV: Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell (HADES), neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. – Acts 2:27

So, the KJV was crafted around the common Protestant and Catholic doctrine of Heaven and Hell, as the KJV (along with some other Bibles) LITERALLY translate the exact same word “HADES” to mean Hell, 10 times out of 11. Yet, the term means the “realm of the dead”, not “Hell” and appears to be the equivelant to “SHEOL” found within the Old Testament.

There is only one verse out of about 33,000 in the Bible that may say “eternal torment”, namely:

“And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. ” – King James Bible – Revelation 20:10

You can use this page as a reference to more indepth information on this. http://www.godrules.net/articles/eternaldeath.htm

http://www.godrules.net/articles/bibleterminology.htm#heavenhell

You can check out these videos:
Part 1 of 3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4q1pb2-Y2Q

Eastern beliefs and Western beliefs differ greatly here. If you notice, there are great things happening in the East and we seem to be asleep in the West.   Here is another good tool to use to draw your own conclusions about this.

http://aggreen.net/beliefs/heaven_hell.html

The wicked and the righteous will accept the 24 books

The wicked and the righteous will accept the 24 books, but the wicked will not accept all 70. Technically the 24 books are the Hebrew Tanakh. Which consist of books of the canonical Bible. You are thinking wait that is more than 24, correct, the Jews did not see some of these as separate, they grouped them differently. The last 12 books are referred to as the twelve or Trei Asar. Ezra-Nehemiah was grouped as one book. Chronicles were groups as one book called the Divrei Hayamim. The books of Samuel where one and called Shemuel. The books of Kings where grouped together and called Melahkim. Which would make the 24 books. Does it bother you that there are 70 books missing from the Old Testament?? These books are removed because evil people in the church can’t accept them. The wheat and the tares (Matt. 13), Jesus warned us of this.

You should go to the link and see how over time, the books have been taken away by the different denominations. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Testament ; http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/2_Esdras .

Jesus said beware of the yeast of the Pharisees. (Matthew 16:6; Mark 8:15; Luke 12) The purpose of yeast is the driving force behind fermentation, the magical process that allows a dense mass of dough to become a well-risen loaf of bread. You should understand the meaning of that entwined with what Jesus said.

So quickly people jump to assume all they have been told is correct and there is not enough in these other books to prove them part of the canonical gospel, but have you read them for yourself?? I am finding this to be untrue. There is more than enough reference to them by the prophets we deem worthy to be in the canonical bible. If these prophets are referencing them, and we trust in them, why then if they trusted in the others do we not hear them as well. There is so much needed information in these other books, so much has been hidden from us in plain sight and we all have the ability to seek for ourselves, yet we don’t.

People wonder why they have a hard time reading and understanding scripture and many times even after their pastor tries to make it make sense, even still it doesn’t, because there are things missing that we should be told and taught. People say God would never allow that, but He has allowed things even in the Bible itself to happen so that people would truly seek Him. Read the book of Job and all the things the devil did to Job and God didn’t step in every time and save Job, nor does He step in every time and save us, we have free will. Not everyone makes the right choices according to God, there are many evil people in this world and God warned us of that. Many that would strive to lead us astray from THE Truth.

This would be why somehow hate can be breed out of love. All these denominations and denominational difference are not of God, because they cause division in the church and that is not what God wanted. Jesus Christ came to bring a sword because he came to bring the truth and people didn’t want to hear the truth, they wanted to hear the Pharisees and the men of the world and deny the Truth. (Which is still done today.) We seek Him only through what is now called a church and not through our own desires to know the truth (HIM). We follow a pastor or a priest, but it is each of us that He wants to follow Him and to seek Him. They may be able to be there when people need prayer or healing, but they should not be our only moment or source of seeking God, that should go far beyond the words they have to say and deep into each of us individually. It’s a relationship, not a religion, but we have followed along with the Pharisees and made it a religion. This has caused division in the church and hate amongst God’s people. God does not breed hate; people breed hate by their stubbornness towards the Truth of God. It has turned people away from God. It’s time to step up and step out and change that. It’s time to seek for yourselves and not just hear from a pastor or priest, but hear from God, because He is still speaking.